Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vid Belec

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The result was Delete. Pastor Theo (talk) 00:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vid Belec

WP:PROD contested by an IP user with no edit summary at all. The subject is a youth team footballer with no first team experience at all, therefore failing WP:ATHLETE. Angelo (talk) 22:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Giant Snowman 08:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:N. Giant Snowman 08:45, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No evidence he is notable yet. If he plays a single second for Inter in a competitive match, he'll pass ATHLETE. Or if sufficient RS mention him, he can pass N or BIO. Currently neither. --Dweller (talk) 12:12, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, he played in the World Football Challenge for Inter - is that more or less notable than playing the final minute of a game in the Football League Trophy. Lunacy!--Vintagekits (talk) 12:34, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He played in a non competitive game. Some notable teams allow fans to play in non-competitive games. Does that make the fan notable? And please, it would be very nice if you could contribute strongly at AfD without being offensive. I can cope with being accused of "lunacy", but it does sour the atmosphere. --Dweller (talk) 12:45, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Harry Redknapp famously brought on a fan in a friendly game who was giving him banter from the stands; is he notable? Giant Snowman 16:53, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are you seriously comparing Belec to a fan? The World Football Challenge is a little more than a friendly between two Mickey Mouse no mark League Two English teams. Anyway you are avoiding the question is playing in the World Football Challenge more or less notable than playing the final minute of a game in the Football League Trophy.

Well, in 2005 a reality show winner from an Eccellenza club played 12 minutes with Inter at the Trofeo Birra Moretti in a game against Juventus... --Angelo (talk) 20:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:N. Friendly does not count. Matthew_hk t c 13:01, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:ATHLETE, has not played in a competitive football match. --Jimbo^[online] 22:33, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, define competitive.--Vintagekits (talk) 22:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Non exhibition. --Jimbo^[online] 22:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Read the first line of the link you provide. "s a sporting event in which there is no competitive value of any significant kind to any competitor (such as tournament or season rankings, or prize money) regardless of the outcome of the competition." - this was a competition.--Vintagekits (talk) 22:52, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is funny because you said in Talk:Vid Belec that the whole article should not be considered at all due to its lack of sources, and now you're mentioning it... Anyways, no, there is no competitive value: games like these do not affect any ranking (no league tables or something comparable to it), and do not provide any prize from one of the football confederations (FIFA, UEFA...) or national, or even subnational, entity (The FA, Italian Football Federation...). --Angelo (talk) 22:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There was a league, there was a trophy, it is therefore competative. In my book playing two games in this is more notable than playing 1 minutes as a substitute in the Football League Trophy for Torquay United - but I guess that just shows how far members of the FOOTY Project have lost sight of actually notability.--Vintagekits (talk) 09:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I thought you were arguing he passes WP:ATHLETE. If you're now arguing he passes WP:N, per your link, it's much easier and we don't need to bother discussing this line of argument about competitive matches. Please just show 2 reliable sources that include more than a trivial mention of Vid Belec and I'll switch to "Strong Keep" straight away, in line with WP:N. --Dweller (talk) 13:12, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One can never tell what Vintagekits is arguing; he views ATHLETE and N as interchangeable! Giant Snowman 13:14, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete if everyone who plays in a friendly tournament gets a page then we're all doomed Spiderone (talk) 16:45, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

...doomed to what? To an encyclopedia that contains verifiable, neutral, non-original content per the five pillars? That doesn't sound like doom to me. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep multiple sources denoting notability, played in a high profile game Eldumpo (talk) 19:09, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, recreate when he actually plays a professional competitive match. That hurdle should apply with only very rare exceptions (eg Freddy Adu before he played for DC United). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 19:35, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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